Disappointed by the portrayal of females...

[Ashera]

I just completed the tower of hearts, so I guess I've "finished" the game (seen all the built-in content).

It was a cute, fun way to pass a little time. I love the art style. I liked planting orchards full of fruit trees and seeing the hills magically grow when planted and recruiting monsters to be my workers.

Then I finished the last of Coriander's and Peach's requests. And they left a bad taste in my mouth.

My problem with Coriander is that she's shallow, materialistic, greedy, and self-centered, but it's okay because "She's really hot!" And apparently, according to some twisted view of how relationships work, that constitutes true love.

One of my problems with Peach is that I'm playing an aggressively cute game. The biggest threats are deer who eat flowers. There are monsters, but they're more adorable than scary. I'd show the game to kids. I don't expect a dance scene with copious crotch shots of a female bunny in underwear.

In Bunni land, women are either chaste gold-diggers or oversexed "bad girls". Men are there to be taken advantage of.

I'm female. I like cute things and games about building and growing. I love the Harvest Moon series and put up with taking the role of a male protagonist wooing females. But at least there's variety, and women with more personality than "I'm a prize".

I also play Soulcalibur, and do my best to ignore how little the female characters wear and how jiggly their breasts are. But, hey, it's clearly a guy game. I know how those go.

I expected better of you, Bunni Bunni. You caught me off-guard. You promised me a game where I could indulge my girly whims and instead fed me more of the same adolescent male crap that saturates the mainstream.

[Chonky]

She's got her own points and they're fine, I just wanted to add my two cents... I might be a prude and am conflicted about it, but -- well, suffice it to say that if my 9 year old was a better gamer I might be hesitant to let him get far in this game... instead he's lame enough I don't have much to worry about.

The adult (or adolescent) humor isn't couched enough for me. Think Flintstones or any number of other animated shows good for both kids and adults, next time try to be a bit more subtle? And yeah, I click reply to agree 100% the dancing is funny and sophomoric and just a little too much for me to feel OK about letting my kid get to see.

...but I had big fun so keep rocking!

[1samurai1]

You only need to watch the dance once and you dont even have to stare at it. It's just some humour. There are alot of types or girl games you can find just search hard enough :)

[rosedragon]

Hmm, let me say my prespective here as a girl.

The girl characters on this game might not the most perfect girl you can have. They are indeed full of flaws but I'm not sure if the main character is a dominant male too.

Now look what we got, what did the main avatar do everyday here?
He works hard, just to fulfill what the girls request. I don't see this as indication of dominant male. I'm more thinks 'cute poor guy, he works hard just for the girls'.
It is more worse about the other males or well all the workers. What they do? Just working :) , while the girls wandering around happily.

While I prefer the previous Coriander scenario, which she is not only asked items, but also guide the character of things around, I think her characteristic is making sense. Admit it, most of us girls like to go shopping. If I don't have to concern about money, I would go shopping instead stay in front of computer.. working. I do wish some part later in the game Coriander met her sisters again, which in previous version depict her responsibility for her sisters.

Pirate Peach.. I could see why she seems to be 'cheap'. She is smart but she is lonely then she met your handsome character which save her, well... I guess she got her own way to attract him :P . The dance, I don't think it is provocatif since inside the game, three female bunnies on wedding don't use any clothing and Coriander only use upper dress. The sexy messages only able to be percieved by adults, I don't think kids that don't know sex at all could have theirs mind wander to wrong direction.

Lastly, I think the storyline is just to spice things up. I would be more concerned if this game intended to give 'message'.

[spillz]

Hey guys! I only have a few minutes to spare before the police kick the door in and get me, so I'll make this quick. After playing this game I transferred my newly acquired knowledge to the real world and started making some changes.

First the deer. They were always prancing around in the forest out back, but after learning that they were ruthless bunny killers I put together some bombs and took them all out. Hopefully that was enough to save the bunny empire, but maybe I was too late (someone should check that out and let me know while I'm in the slammer).

After that I had a few bombs left and I realized how much I didn't like the layout of my city, so I just went berserk. I cleared about twenty blocks before I ran out. My plan was to plant some fruit trees in their stead (they're SO profitable) but I didn't expect all this rubble to be left after the explosion.

Regardless, I got some produce from the one remaining grocery store in town and started throwing it everywhere. I figured if the remaining citizens knew my master plan they'd forgive me, but alas! No trees are growing yet. I don't know what the problem is. Maybe I did something wrong, since they should have already reached full size and dropped fruit by now. I mean, I've already waited for a few minutes and still nothing!

Anyway, time is running out, so I've stolen some jewelery from the surrounding wreckage and I'm going to mail the loot to Heidi Klum and Meagan Fox—that's how the bunny king did it, after all. Once they see those shiny gifts I know they'll drop everything they have and come to me since that's all girls care about anyway.

Too bad I saw some cartoon of an anthropomorphic animal dancing when I was little. I know that's going to cause some problems in my new relationships (see above). Ever since then I couldn't stop objectifying women, mammals, and all female cartoons.

I guess this game has steered me wrong. Hopefully my lawyer can make a strong—OH MY GOD THEY'RE HERE. I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S THE POLICE BUT IT MIGHT BE MONSTERS, TOO!!! YOU NEVER KNOW!!! I'M OUT GUYS!!! GOOD LUCK!!! DON'T LET THIS GAME RUIN YOUR LIFE TOO!!!!

[rosedragon]

Awww world so full of dangerous materials for kids.. :( When they see bunni, they will learn about sex, killing people, bombing, and yiff!

Ok, when I got kids, I will lock them inside the closet until they get matured :D :D :D . (or just feed them to monsters)

[Cthulhu]

The dance didn't really bother me, I just found it annoying, really not worth the 500 gems. But, it did cause you humans to make this interesting topic, so it's not entirely bad.

[1samurai1]

Its a game :( Do you want to wait 1-10 years everytime you plant a tree in a game?

[Daniel Cook]

This is a good topic.

I'd love to hear suggestions about the following:

- What would make the girls better and more realistic?
- What were the bits that were most shocking? Was it most of the text, a few bits that seemed off or the rather obvious dance at the end.

We also have a drunken Australian on the team. The results are sometimes unpredictable.

take care
Danc.

[Cthulhu]

The trees in the game are genetically modified to grow in seconds. Either that or they are magic :D

[rosedragon]

nahh, the bunni time space is different with us =D . They have theirs planet rotating 1000x faster than earth! And those bunnies are immortal you know :) .

[Andre]

Hic? whhoes dunk? ;)

[1samurai1]

When I die as my will place me in a bubble

[Daniel Cook]

I would ask that everyone be polite about this topic. There are going to be lots of people who come to these forums and some are going to be upset about the game. It happens!

The single best thing we can do is welcome them and listen to what new folks say. That is the only way the community grows and Bunni gets better. :-)

take care
Danc.

[Jikanu]

I truly dont think that Coriander's meant to be a gold digger.

Yes, you have to buy her stuff; however, she expresses a like, even a love for you before you buy her even the Wedding Dress. She makes comments like "if we ever had kids, they would have the cutest ears" BEFORE you buy her any gifts, signaling that she has a crush on you.

Peach... meh... as said before, peach is just lonely. i feel bad for her. She seems to be a truly sweet girl on the inside, through her obsession over cute things such as pandas and monsters, but she doesnt know how to express her true emotions, and does so by acting the way she does. she'd probably be heartbroken at the wedding ceremony, and question what she had done wrong. Yet another reason why i advocate an option on marriage.

I'm a male feminist, and i see how you could be offended; however, i truly dont think it was meant to be seen in a derogatory light.

[Cthulhu]

nahh, the bunni time space is different with us =D . They have theirs planet rotating 1000x faster than earth! And those bunnies are immortal you know :) .

No wonder it felt weird in their universe. (Although...planet rotation has nothing to do with time-space, but this really the place for a physics topic.)

[Andre]

If you have too many fruit trees it only rotates 10x as fast heh

[Ashera]

This is a good topic.

I'd love to hear suggestions about the following:

- What would make the girls better and more realistic?
- What were the bits that were most shocking? Was it most of the text, a few bits that seemed off or the rather obvious dance at the end.

We also have a drunken Australian on the team. The results are sometimes unpredictable.

take care
Danc.

So, I found Coriander's requests disappointingly stereotyped -- she asks for shops, a dress, and jewelry.

Peach asked for shops and flowers, but I found her phrasing more acceptable -- it was less "I need this expensive thing, get it for me" and more "I like beautiful things, make the island pretty"

The copious crotch shots in the dance were the most shocking thing to me.

Thanks for taking this seriously.

[Pirate Foxes]

My problem with Coriander is that she's shallow, materialistic, greedy, and self-centered, but it's okay because "She's really hot!" And apparently, according to some twisted view of how relationships work, that constitutes true love.
I don't know what you think constitutes "true love." The older you get the more you realize that "love" is mostly about an attraction and less so much about... the fake idea of other things. Two people who like each other, who have that initial reaction of attraction, soon start to be around each other more. If their personalities co-inside then they "fall in love." It always comes down to the "S" word though. "True Love" is something that... has more to do with a stronger emotional bond that is usually represented by the union of marriage in our society.

I don't expect a dance scene with copious crotch shots of a female bunny in underwear.
Neither did I! Where is the rolling-on-the-floor-laughing emoticon when you need it? XD

No I totally agree with you there. HAHA BUNNY THONG. X)

In Bunni land, women are either chaste gold-diggers or oversexed "bad girls". Men are there to be taken advantage of.
GUESS WHAT?! In INDIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) there isn't even COURTSHIP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arranged_marriage_in_India) between two people.

Once again, this begs me to ask, what sort of twisted fantasy do you believe "true love" to be?

I expected better of you, Bunni Bunni. You caught me off-guard. You promised me a game where I could indulge my girly whims and instead fed me more of the same adolescent male crap that saturates the mainstream.
You know what? You don't like it, YOU make a game. Do it. It is very easy to do and shouldn't take you more than a couple of hours. :)

Awww world so full of dangerous materials for kids.. :( When they see bunni, they will learn about sex, killing people, bombing, and yiff!
Uuuuh... Well they might learn about it from reading YOUR post, perhaps. Besides, furries suck. ;P

I might be a prude and am conflicted about it, but -- well, suffice it to say that if my 9 year old was a better gamer I might be hesitant to let him get far in this game... instead he's lame enough I don't have much to worry about.
I would just like to take this time to say that when I was about 3 or 4 I was playing Duke Nukem. Keep in mind though, back then he was less of a foul mouthed womanizer ghost and more of a musclebound action hero from the 80's. Just because something is "cute" doesn't necessarily mean that it would be suitable for children. Likewise just because something is made for children doesn't mean that it has to be "cute." I play Bunni Bunni because I find it rather therapeutic.

[spillz]

This is a good topic.

I'd love to hear suggestions about the following:

- What would make the girls better and more realistic?
- What were the bits that were most shocking? Was it most of the text, a few bits that seemed off or the rather obvious dance at the end.

We also have a drunken Australian on the team. The results are sometimes unpredictable.

take care
Danc.

I would ask that everyone be polite about this topic. There are going to be lots of people who come to these forums and some are going to be upset about the game. It happens!

The single best thing we can do is welcome them and listen to what new folks say. That is the only way the community grows and Bunni gets better. :-)

take care
Danc.



Fair enough, but I do think we should also remember Stats 101: specifically self-selected sample bias (only the people with the strongest opinions tend to speak out). In my case, I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be offended by anyone who finds this wonderfully innocent game offensive, but I'm not going to operate under some group banner, nor would I want the developers to think that my opinion can be generalized to the entire game-playing population.

The best opinions you guys can get come from the in-game survey, although (last time I saw it) it came a bit too early for an accurate evaluation. While it's great that people can voice their opinions on here, we shouldn't side-step the fact that most of these suggestions are worth a grain of salt and should be treated with non-malicious humor rather than outright disrespect or complete and utter solemnity.

[Jikanu]

I really dont think this is supposed to be an "innocent" game though. one of my favorite things about it is that it takes bunnies and makes a perfectly mature, non kiddish game out of it. On the surface it's cutesy, but there's a real game in there. And it's got some mature humor two. Kinda like early spongebob, or ed edd and eddy. it's not all butterflies and flowers, it has some actual humor in it.

[spillz]

I really dont think this is supposed to be an "innocent" game though. one of my favorite things about it is that it takes bunnies and makes a perfectly mature, non kiddish game out of it. it's not all butterflies and flowers, it has some actual humor in it.

Well I was using that term in a comparative manner (I can't think of anything less offensive than this game... maybe Animal Crossing?) but you're right, and I think that only strengthens my point: making this game even more watered down is appealing to an audience that most of us may not actually fit. And that's as much of a generalization as I want to make, or else I'll sound like a hypocrite. :P

[Jikanu]

I think it could fit alot of audiences as it is right now. most kids wont get the inuendos in the general conversations, or if they do, their parents probably wont care. the only really "over the top" thing is the dance, and that's not TOO big a deal... i wouldnt alter the game in any way if i were you guys, other than adding to it.

The game's cute and kiddish.. but in an adult way. if that makes any sense.

*is still waiting for more than 2 marriage options...* i really didnt like either of the characters too much. Peach was too... uhm... stripper-ish... and coriander was too happy happy joy joy...

[Chokladkakan]

I don't know what you think constitutes "true love." The older you get the more you realize that "love" is mostly about an attraction and less so much about... the fake idea of other things. Two people who like each other, who have that initial reaction of attraction, soon start to be around each other more. If their personalities co-inside then they "fall in love." It always comes down to the "S" word though. "True Love" is something that... has more to do with a stronger emotional bond that is usually represented by the union of marriage in our society.


Neither did I! Where is the rolling-on-the-floor-laughing emoticon when you need it? XD

No I totally agree with you there. HAHA BUNNY THONG. X)


GUESS WHAT?! In INDIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) there isn't even COURTSHIP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arranged_marriage_in_India) between two people.

Once again, this begs me to ask, what sort of twisted fantasy do you believe "true love" to be?


You know what? You don't like it, YOU make a game. Do it. It is very easy to do and shouldn't take you more than a couple of hours. :)


Uuuuh... Well they might learn about it from reading YOUR post, perhaps. Besides, furries suck. ;P


I would just like to take this time to say that when I was about 3 or 4 I was playing Duke Nukem. Keep in mind though, back then he was less of a foul mouthed womanizer ghost and more of a musclebound action hero from the 80's. Just because something is "cute" doesn't necessarily mean that it would be suitable for children. Likewise just because something is made for children doesn't mean that it has to be "cute." I play Bunni Bunni because I find it rather therapeutic.

You do more or less sum up all I would want to say, but I'll speak anyway.

First, I do understand that people can be offended, and are being offended, by the game, as well as people could get offended by a person who happens to walk a little too much to the left on the pavement. Which pretty much makes my point entirely - there will always be unhappy people. And that is something one simply has to live with.
I do not believe that a game is meant to be an idealistic world. Because if it was, it would more or less be a gray world with dark grey blobs, prancing on the grey roads, all looking alike and having no difference from person to person - therefore making all judgement impossible, because all are alike!

The dance didn't really bother me, I just found it annoying, really not worth the 500 gems. But, it did cause you humans to make this interesting topic, so it's not entirely bad.

I will have to agree there.

[rosedragon]

Nice point Chok, I wanted to say that but I'm not sure the correct way to say it :) .

[Poohbomber]

You know I'm a boy and generally more suited for first person shooter games, or strategy games like Civ IV, yet I find myself strangely pulled into this game. I don't know why, but I am.

[Chonky]

You know I'm a boy and generally more suited for first person shooter games, or strategy games like Civ IV, yet I find myself strangely pulled into this game. I don't know why, but I am.

It's because of all the sex! Your body is going through changes and these are entirely normal. Also you'll find pirate dancing more and more appealing in the next few years. Soon you'll be working from 7 to 11 so enjoy the gaming now.

[Poohbomber]

Um... Dude I know about the S word, I learned about it in my 6th grade health class. I'm going into High School.

[Poohbomber]

I also know about puberty and all that jazz

[Lovelight]

Well let's see...
Bunni Game+For Girls=Monsters wearing wigs,Main character is a queen,we see a boy doing a weird dancre,and a clip of the girl and boy being married.

Intresting.

[MonsterMiner]

I would like a couple of monsters with wigs.

[yogurt]

I came to these forums to write the very same message Ashera did. I loved everything about Bunni, except for the picture it painted of women.

We meet a woman whose love seems to be based on the buying of pretty things, and a teasing pirate girl with a potentially sweet crush--but who changes the relationship into paid work by dancing in a g-string for money. We're supposed to like these characters. It's very disappointing, especially given the game's likely audience.

The portrayal of woman has made me second-guess who I'll recommend the game to. I hope this is one of the wrinkles that the beta irons out.

I'm 37, male, a long-time game player, and a married father of a young daughter.

[Sasum]

This should go in the "Suggestions" section.

[mayabunny]

25-year old female feminist with a degree in Women's Studies... I love this game precisely BECAUSE its playful blend of bunni-bunni cuteness and human "typical relationship"-type ideas lured me into learning the virtual frustration and determination that the male part of the equation experiences. I spent all the next day with thoughts in the back of my mind about how I would honestly feel if I had to jump through hoops and work very hard to court, woo, and then support for a lifetime a footloose and fancy-free sweetheart.

Games don't have to mirror reality, but this one I feel partly did, for female players experiencing a male role. I understand how someone could be concerned about the male perspective on females here, but it is primarily a bunni game, not a feminist one.

Holler if you hear me :]

[Crazy]

Hey people, its a game. More importantly a game created for human indulgance why make a big deal about a bunny in a bikini dancing, does it show private parts, no. Does it show bulges where private parts should be no. If your a human and you want to have fun do it. But if you want to pick at something just because a few unintended references go pick on the government or something better then a "game" emphasis on GAME. So calm down you can't shelter your kids forever. I mean this world is becoming more and more blunt, so just take it with a grain of sand and tell your children of gumdrops and sugar plums, but in a few more years that won't work.

Remember it is, after all, a game for human indulgance. If its human mistakes will be made, and references, no matter how improper or accidental, will be made, period...

[kittenlazars go mew mew]

They will probably add more female bunnis to the games,so don't get angry and st00f.

[Chokladkakan]

25-year old female feminist with a degree in Women's Studies... I love this game precisely BECAUSE its playful blend of bunni-bunni cuteness and human "typical relationship"-type ideas lured me into learning the virtual frustration and determination that the male part of the equation experiences. I spent all the next day with thoughts in the back of my mind about how I would honestly feel if I had to jump through hoops and work very hard to court, woo, and then support for a lifetime a footloose and fancy-free sweetheart.

Games don't have to mirror reality, but this one I feel partly did, for female players experiencing a male role. I understand how someone could be concerned about the male perspective on females here, but it is primarily a bunni game, not a feminist one.

Holler if you hear me :]

Nice point, and nicely written. :)

[KelinciHutan]

I am going to mostly agree with the first poster. Let me qualify everything to start off with.

I like this game. It's fun and cute. Clearly, however cute it may be, it's not supposed to be a game for small children, so "the dance," while I shall discuss it, is not something I object to directly.

While Coriander is clearly not intended as a stereotype (and yes, the cute factor does help, some), she comes off as grasping and shallow. The quests for her are constantly girly-girl nonsense (Shopping! Dresses! Tiaras! Weddings!). The one serious request she makes is to protect her from the deer who eat flowers. Basically, she's the Princess Classic (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PrincessClassic) with a side order of Everything's Better With Princesses (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitlewop4ao6cwrhn). To me, as a female, this makes the romance between her and the protagonist a bit confusing. As was mentioned by an earlier poster, why should a male put up with her? All she does is ask for more and more expensive stuff.

Peach is also a stereotype, albeit a less annoyingly ubiquitous one. She's essentially the Action Girl (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ActionGirl) (although she doesn't take part in any on-screen action). With the exception of the "plant me roses" request, there are no girly-girl quests for this chick, oh no! She's all about looting and plundering and keeping monsters as pets. Or the utilitarian requests such as "5 Plum Trees" or "You're going to need this other store." And while that gives her more backbone, it also prevents her from being a "proper" girl. She doesn't like/want any girly stuff at all because Action Girls are not really girls.

All that, if that were all, would be only very slightly annoying. Where this starts to get irritating is when you throw the sexual references into the mix. Boiled down, Coriander and Peach are the Virgin/Whore Dichotomy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin-whore_dichotomy) in adorable, rabbity form. Peach is openly sexual, to the point where she says she'll be "more grateful than Coriander would like" for something before one quest, and she'll cheerfully do a stripper dance for money by the end of the game. Coriander makes only a few giggling references to having children and says that "If you come any closer I may have to nibble on your carrot." The "bad" girl is the sexual one, the "good" girl is not. And the fact that you can have Coriander as a wife at the end of the game, but still have Peach dance for you on the side really only adds to the problem. You're technically married, but you can still have it all. Coriander gets cheated on and Peach is clearly unhappy and lonely, but you get the pure wife and the dirty stripper, so it's all good? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnfortunateImplications)

One way to avoid a lot of this would be to change things up a bit. Instead of Peach, have Coriander ask to have the monsters tamed. Have Peach ask for something pretty just because it is pretty, or have her like pandas because pandas are adorable in a non-sexual way. Being able to choose which bunni you want to marry would be spectacular, although it would also entail a lot more work, I imagine. Disabling the dance after the bunni marriage would be another good option.

Ultimately, all of this is implied. I seriously doubt any of the stereotypical elements were intentionally in there in an effort to be insulting or offensive. And yes, they're just bunnies in a virtual scenario. So, I can set my mind to ignore all of this and just go with the cute. The implications are in there, though, however unintentional they are. Overall, the game is cute and quite fun. And that is my two cents.

...Yes, I registered just to make this post because I am that big of a dork. Why do you ask? :)

[bunnibear]

I like the first post.

[Chokladkakan]

I am going to mostly agree with the first poster. Let me qualify everything to start off with.

I like this game. It's fun and cute. Clearly, however cute it may be, it's not supposed to be a game for small children, so "the dance," while I shall discuss it, is not something I object to directly.

While Coriander is clearly not intended as a stereotype (and yes, the cute factor does help, some), she comes off as grasping and shallow. The quests for her are constantly girly-girl nonsense (Shopping! Dresses! Tiaras! Weddings!). The one serious request she makes is to protect her from the deer who eat flowers. Basically, she's the Princess Classic (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PrincessClassic) with a side order of Everything's Better With Princesses (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitlewop4ao6cwrhn). To me, as a female, this makes the romance between her and the protagonist a bit confusing. As was mentioned by an earlier poster, why should a male put up with her? All she does is ask for more and more expensive stuff.

Peach is also a stereotype, albeit a less annoyingly ubiquitous one. She's essentially the Action Girl (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ActionGirl) (although she doesn't take part in any on-screen action). With the exception of the "plant me roses" request, there are no girly-girl quests for this chick, oh no! She's all about looting and plundering and keeping monsters as pets. Or the utilitarian requests such as "5 Plum Trees" or "You're going to need this other store." And while that gives her more backbone, it also prevents her from being a "proper" girl. She doesn't like/want any girly stuff at all because Action Girls are not really girls.

All that, if that were all, would be only very slightly annoying. Where this starts to get irritating is when you throw the sexual references into the mix. Boiled down, Coriander and Peach are the Virgin/Whore Dichotomy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin-whore_dichotomy) in adorable, rabbity form. Peach is openly sexual, to the point where she says she'll be "more grateful than Coriander would like" for something before one quest, and she'll cheerfully do a stripper dance for money by the end of the game. Coriander makes only a few giggling references to having children and says that "If you come any closer I may have to nibble on your carrot." The "bad" girl is the sexual one, the "good" girl is not. And the fact that you can have Coriander as a wife at the end of the game, but still have Peach dance for you on the side really only adds to the problem. You're technically married, but you can still have it all. Coriander gets cheated on and Peach is clearly unhappy and lonely, but you get the pure wife and the dirty stripper, so it's all good? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnfortunateImplications)

One way to avoid a lot of this would be to change things up a bit. Instead of Peach, have Coriander ask to have the monsters tamed. Have Peach ask for something pretty just because it is pretty, or have her like pandas because pandas are adorable in a non-sexual way. Being able to choose which bunni you want to marry would be spectacular, although it would also entail a lot more work, I imagine. Disabling the dance after the bunni marriage would be another good option.

Ultimately, all of this is implied. I seriously doubt any of the stereotypical elements were intentionally in there in an effort to be insulting or offensive. And yes, they're just bunnies in a virtual scenario. So, I can set my mind to ignore all of this and just go with the cute. The implications are in there, though, however unintentional they are. Overall, the game is cute and quite fun. And that is my two cents.

...Yes, I registered just to make this post because I am that big of a dork. Why do you ask? :)

And well written it is, with a lot of good points.

[Pirate Foxes]

To me, as a female, this makes the romance between her and the protagonist a bit confusing. As was mentioned by an earlier poster, why should a male put up with her? All she does is ask for more and more expensive stuff.
Fine, then you know, you being as a female, let all of us chauvinistic males, what a perfect Bunni Bunni relationship IS. Ashera did not answer this for me and no one else has said anything about it either. Everyone loves to complain about it though.

Peach is also a stereotype, albeit a less annoyingly ubiquitous one.
It's not so much a STEREOTYPE as it is a REAL representation of how a LOT of girls are. A-TRUST me on this one. :p Just because YOU might not be this way, or your values or parents raised you to not be this way, some girls DO like getting it on. :O OMG IMAGINE THAT!

there are no girly-girl quests for this chick, oh no! She's all about looting and plundering and keeping monsters as pets. Or the utilitarian requests such as "5 Plum Trees" or "You're going to need this other store." And while that gives her more backbone, it also prevents her from being a "proper" girl. She doesn't like/want any girly stuff at all because Action Girls are not really girls.
Not all girls are "girly girly." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons)

And the fact that you can have Coriander as a wife at the end of the game, but still have Peach dance for you on the side really only adds to the problem. You're technically married, but you can still have it all.
Yes, I actually agree with you here. I thought that VERY surprising is that you get married and then you "cheated" on the side with another girl AS SOON AS YOU GET MARRIED. Then again, like you mentioned you do give her money as a strip tease, you don't KNOW what she is going to do after you give her the money. So you do give her one thousand gems, harder to get than regular money that's for sure, and then she shows you what you, as a Bunni king, are "missing out on." ;)

Now... that being said, originally you could only do this one time. Disturbing as it was. XD NOW you can watch it over and over and over. Do you know how many times I've paid her SINCE to do a strip tease? NONE! :P And if I WOULD do it again, it would be for the hilariousness of the moment and not because I want to see the back side of the bunny thong. XD Which just made it funnier because it looks exactly like the front only with a "fluffy ball." It shows it for a split second and you go "What the HECK is-OMG!"

Ultimately, all of this is implied. I seriously doubt any of the stereotypical elements were intentionally in there in an effort to be insulting or offensive. And yes, they're just bunnies in a virtual scenario. So, I can set my mind to ignore all of this and just go with the cute. The implications are in there, though, however unintentional they are.
I believe they are only stereotypes because you see them that way.

...Yes, I registered just to make this post because I am that big of a dork. Why do you ask? :)
Reginald: "I don't remember asking you a God-"

[Chokladkakan]

Fine, then you know, you being as a female, let all of us chauvinistic males, what a perfect Bunni Bunni relationship IS. Ashera did not answer this for me and no one else has said anything about it either. Everyone loves to complain about it though.


It's not so much a STEREOTYPE as it is a REAL representation of how a LOT of girls are. A-TRUST me on this one. :p Just because YOU might not be this way, or your values or parents raised you to not be this way, some girls DO like getting it on. :O OMG IMAGINE THAT!


Not all girls are "girly girly." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons)


Yes, I actually agree with you here. I thought that VERY surprising is that you get married and then you "cheated" on the side with another girl AS SOON AS YOU GET MARRIED. Then again, like you mentioned you do give her money as a strip tease, you don't KNOW what she is going to do after you give her the money. So you do give her one thousand gems, harder to get than regular money that's for sure, and then she shows you what you, as a Bunni king, are "missing out on." ;)

Now... that being said, originally you could only do this one time. Disturbing as it was. XD NOW you can watch it over and over and over. Do you know how many times I've paid her SINCE to do a strip tease? NONE! :P And if I WOULD do it again, it would be for the hilariousness of the moment and not because I want to see the back side of the bunny thong. XD Which just made it funnier because it looks exactly like the front only with a "fluffy ball." It shows it for a split second and you go "What the HECK is-OMG!"


I believe they are only stereotypes because you see them that way.


Reginald: "I don't remember asking you a God-"

You once again blew me away, Foxes.

[KelinciHutan]

Fine, then you know, you being as a female, let all of us chauvinistic males, what a perfect Bunni Bunni relationship IS. Ashera did not answer this for me and no one else has said anything about it either. Everyone loves to complain about it though.
Erm, I didn't accuse any males of being chauvinistic. In fact, I deliberately stated that I don't believe these things were done on purpose or with the intent to be offensive.

Also, I did make several suggestions as to how I think the characters could be improved. If the game makers choose to ignore me, that's fine too. I certainly don't think I'm so important that they'll drop everything and do exactly as I say. And I still like this game and think it's cute regardless, which is also point I already made.


It's not so much a STEREOTYPE as it is a REAL representation of how a LOT of girls are. A-TRUST me on this one. :p Just because YOU might not be this way, or your values or parents raised you to not be this way, some girls DO like getting it on. :O OMG IMAGINE THAT!
You're actually agreeing with me here, although apparently you didn't read enough of my post to realize it. Sex is not evil. Women who like sex are also not evil. So why is it that the "bad girl" is the only sexualized character in the entire game? If sex is okay, then how about the "good" girl being more upfront about it, rather than the *giggle, giggle* *blush, blush* Incorruptable Pure Pureness (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IncorruptiblePurePureness) that she currently embodies?

Not all girls are "girly girly." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons)
Amazons should be allowed to be women, too. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoGuyWantsAnAmazon)

And if I WOULD do it again, it would be for the hilariousness of the moment and not because I want to see the back side of the bunny thong. XD
When did I accuse anyone of wanting to ogle a cartoon bunny? The funny of the dance turns on the fact that it is very sexualized but not sexy at all, as anyone can see. Obviously that is the point of having it in the game at all, so I'm honestly not seeing whatever point you were trying to make here.

I believe they are only stereotypes because you see them that way.
The Princess Classic (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PrincessClassic)
Everything's Better With Princesses (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlewop4ao6cwrhn)
The Action Girl (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ActionGirl)
All Guys Want Cheerleaders (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllGuysWantCheerleaders)

The way all those tropes are used here is what is called "played straight." I suppose you could choose to believe that I wrote every single word on the TVTropes Wiki (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage) and went through and found all those examples on my own, along with the arguments and the justifying edits, but that's going an awfully long way just to disagree with me.

[Pirate Foxes]

Hmm...


Touché. :)

[mayabunny]

Did no one else notice all the surprising speech bubbles coming from Coriander and Peach?

Daydreaming in a meadow, meeting someone new, growing up fast after parents' death, doubting you'll ever find the right bunni for you...

Memories of a sweetheart who bought her cherries from the market, feeling suffocated in her hometown, feeling everyone leaves you after a while...

I was really surprised and impressed by the alternately deep and emotional, then glib and jokey, things the girl bunnis say. I think it showed a lot of creative thought went into their personalities!

In order to boil them down to "virgin/whore dichotomy" you have to be seriously ignoring the artfulness of the characters. They are way more complex than the male bunni (who just works) and Pirate Pete (who is simply crude for laugh factor), and they definitely DO keep you guessing way more than I think any player of this game would expect.

[Daniel Cook]

Mayabunny points out one of the issues with the design. The girl bunnies have interesting things to say between quest requests, but most players miss them. So a lot of the character text does get unintentionally skipped and players feel railroaded into just doing quest after quest after quest.

Having said that, I still think there are lots of improvements I could make to the characters. It is so wonderful to see people having such a deep (and polite!) conversation on the topic.

take care
Danc.

[Poohbomber]

Hey just something I've noticed is that after you get married and you talk to... whoever you got married too, forgot her name, she says "Maybe I'll find someone special." But, if your married to her wouldn't that mean she did. Wouldn't that make this line, a little awkward?

[Sasum]

Indeed. Coriander I'm sure is her name. I luv the wedding though.

[miyucubi]

Yeah I just played through this myself, loved it.

On the subject of the dance, it's not sexy, not even in a furry way. It even lacks the appropriate phallic imagery(rose instead of a carrot anyone?). The dance is in fact rather funny.

If you want to make females appear less shallow in the game then you need to add more characters not change the ones already there. Adding in a serious girl whos prudish and aloof to counterpoint peach would be more effective than changing the 2 there. It would however require a major addon to the game to create new quests and items necessary to win this girl.

Then again maybe thats just cos I think the game might have suited alternate ending girlfriends better >_>

[Sasum]

The dance is funny. I rest my case. And schmexy. I love bunnis.

[mayabunny]

Thank you for calling me Mayabunny. Cutest moment of life! =D

[Misstaint]

I know none of you have ever heard from me , but I am an avid BunniBunni player. I love the game , I think it is wonderful and I want to watch it grow.

Peach's dance is seriously in question? They did not add cleavage , or bumcheeks when she danced. I thought it was especially funny that they left her the way she was . Clearly they were NOT trying to offend anyone. I have two kids and I let them watch me play this game all the time. They are almost three and almost 2 and they love seeing the bunnys. When she did her dance they danced with her , should I assume that they want to be strippers?

Sometimes I swear people just pick things to get offended by , or don't feel like they are important unless they have something to complain about.

I have played MANY games where you had to fart your way down a path and see how far you could get . Ever played boogerman? No one ever complains about things that are worthwhile.

Why not leave feedback about this game and tell them about when your "rock" grows to over 99,999 it only shows up as 10000 , 11000 and so on?

I think people forget that they have a choice in life , that they can choose what they see and what they play .

I love your game bunnibunni massive kudos to you for all the hard work. If I wasn't so broke I would buy all of your merch. XD

Oh and here is my link so you can see that little problem I brought up.
http://bunnibunni.com/view.php?user_id=81784

[boholikeu]

For those disappointed by the portrayal of females in the game, the male characters don't fare much better. On one hand you have a drunk that tells crude jokes, and on the other you have a voiceless lapdog that follows the female characters' every request...

As for the dance, I think it's really just up to the developers to decide what kind of audience they want to market to. As an adult I found the dance funny and very much in line with the slightly risque tone of the rest of the game. Having said that, I probably wouldn't show it to very young children because it's definitely imitable behavior. If the developers were envisioning this to be a "family game" then they might want to consider having a "safe mode" for parents that are concerned about that sort of thing. Otherwise, I enjoyed the game a lot, and I'm definitely recommending it to my friends!

[Epie]

I am sort of a girl gamer myself, and, yes, i play soul calibur 4 due to my brother.I know just what it's like to be happily playing a game then for some reason your girlfriend or whatever seems to have big breasts or blonde hair (like 'Muffy' in 'Harvest Moon Family Life') but hey, whatever, u need to expect thse thing when it comes to gaming xD
i did enjoy the game alot but the dance scene reminded me of Butters south park song What What. Anyway i think the choice of only having 1 girl should be expanded to at least 3 girls each with different personalities.

if you read this and considered this, Thanks :)
Epie
xoxo

[SharpY]

If you're really that pre-occupied with Peach's dance, don't play the game. It hardly uses any offensive material. I completely agree Misstaint. It's not like it's going to make your kids or you into dancing for money like a stripper. >.<

[kewlgrl982]

I just completed the tower of hearts, so I guess I've "finished" the game (seen all the built-in content).

It was a cute, fun way to pass a little time. I love the art style. I liked planting orchards full of fruit trees and seeing the hills magically grow when planted and recruiting monsters to be my workers.

Then I finished the last of Coriander's and Peach's requests. And they left a bad taste in my mouth.

My problem with Coriander is that she's shallow, materialistic, greedy, and self-centered, but it's okay because "She's really hot!" And apparently, according to some twisted view of how relationships work, that constitutes true love.

One of my problems with Peach is that I'm playing an aggressively cute game. The biggest threats are deer who eat flowers. There are monsters, but they're more adorable than scary. I'd show the game to kids. I don't expect a dance scene with copious crotch shots of a female bunny in underwear.

In Bunni land, women are either chaste gold-diggers or oversexed "bad girls". Men are there to be taken advantage of.

I'm female. I like cute things and games about building and growing. I love the Harvest Moon series and put up with taking the role of a male protagonist wooing females. But at least there's variety, and women with more personality than "I'm a prize".

I also play Soulcalibur, and do my best to ignore how little the female characters wear and how jiggly their breasts are. But, hey, it's clearly a guy game. I know how those go.

I expected better of you, Bunni Bunni. You caught me off-guard. You promised me a game where I could indulge my girly whims and instead fed me more of the same adolescent male crap that saturates the mainstream.

Well, let me just say I agree. I am really very young, and was really grossed out at the under-wear dance. Ick.

Anyways, it actually reminds me of before 1920. I mean, women couldn't even wear trousers!!! You may be confused, but I'm not. Down with gross games!!!! ROAR!! :(

[rosedragon]

Coriander is a woman? I though it was a bunni.

[Pirate Foxes]

Peach's dance is seriously in question? They did not add cleavage , or bumcheeks when she danced. I thought it was especially funny that they left her the way she was . Clearly they were NOT trying to offend anyone. I have two kids and I let them watch me play this game all the time. They are almost three and almost 2 and they love seeing the bunnys. When she did her dance they danced with her , should I assume that they want to be strippers?

Sometimes I swear people just pick things to get offended by , or don't feel like they are important unless they have something to complain about.

I think people forget that they have a choice in life , that they can choose what they see and what they play .
Precisely my point! But no one seems to understand that. Like I mentioned... everyone likes to complain but no one offers any suggestions on how to fix it.

If the developers were envisioning this to be a "family game" then they might want to consider having a "safe mode" for parents that are concerned about that sort of thing.
Allow me to repeat. I played Duke Nukem (http://www.3drealms.com/duke1/index.html) when I was about 3 or 4 years old. Even though we had Duke Nukem running on our 286, I still preferred simpler Basic DOS games over the not-made-in-Basic violent ones. (Learn Money, Big Top, In Search of the Most Amazing Thing.) If you are a parent... and you think "Bunni Bunni" is WAY too saucy and racy for your little kid to enjoy, then you are living in a fake world. If your kid can move a computer mouse, your kid isn't young enough!

My point is, if you think your kid is so innocent and pure that they can not play Bunni Bunni then you are just fooling yourself. No, instead of playing Bunni Bunni, let your kid watch television so when you walk away they will flip to Comedy Central. Then when you walk back in the room they drop the "F" bomb on you. THAT would be much better, wouldn't it?

[KyuubisSlave]

This is a pointless debate.... -_- there is nothing suggestive or inappropriate in this game (unlike 90 % of the stuff posted on newgrounds)

If you really don't want your kid playing this game get a free website blocker add on for your browser and block it >.< heck be a parent and tell them no you can't play this game.....

now can we please stop this pointless conversation....

[Pirate Foxes]

So long as people wish to complain, no.

[boholikeu]

Well, I really didn't want to get into all this, but let me just say that parents need to be careful about what kind of messages they send to their child. If a kid sees their parent laughing at something they learn that that action is a good way to get an adult's attention, and they are likely to repeat it in the future. This becomes problematic when the action carries meaning that the child doesn't understand, such as a sexual connotation or a vulgar meaning.

That's why the "it's okay because my children are too young to understand it" argument doesn't work here. Yes, they are too young to understand it, but that's the problem. They don't see the action as something that's "funny because it's inappropriate", they see it as something that "make Mom (or Dad) laugh". As a teacher, I see this all the time in the classroom. Kids will say something really rude or offensive without realizing what it means because they have been conditioned to think that it's entertaining.

Anyway, I'm not asking for the dance to be taken out. I'm only saying that if the developers are trying to market this game as a "family game" they might want to consider adding in a "safe mode" so that parents can make the decision for themselves.


Allow me to repeat. I played Duke Nukem (http://www.3drealms.com/duke1/index.html) when I was about 3 or 4 years old. Even though we had Duke Nukem running on our 286, I still preferred simpler Basic DOS games over the not-made-in-Basic violent ones. (Learn Money, Big Top, In Search of the Most Amazing Thing.)

I'm not really sure what this is meant to prove... Every child is different, and although you may have played it when you were a child that does not mean that it's appropriate for everyone to do so.


My point is, if you think your kid is so innocent and pure that they can not play Bunni Bunni then you are just fooling yourself. No, instead of playing Bunni Bunni, let your kid watch television so when you walk away they will flip to Comedy Central. Then when you walk back in the room they drop the "F" bomb on you. THAT would be much better, wouldn't it?

Well Comedy Central is hardly considered "family entertainment", so any parent that's concerned about what their child is viewing would do well to use the parental control features that come with every TV set.

Precisely my point! But no one seems to understand that. Like I mentioned... everyone likes to complain but no one offers any suggestions on how to fix it.

Funny, I mentioned a pretty specific suggestion about how to fix it (that doesn't even affect other people playing the game), yet I was still attacked as being "overprotective".

If you really don't want your kid playing this game get a free website blocker add on for your browser and block it >.< heck be a parent and tell them no you can't play this game.....


I think people forget that they have a choice in life , that they can choose what they see and what they play .


I totally agree with both these sentiments, which is why I think that implementing a safe mode is appropriate.

Or at the very least a small content warning about the game so that parents can know about the dance without playing the entire game.

[sweet_love]

When I was in my childhood (3~12), I was much more innocent. Sad to see how things changed so much these days.

[Pirate Foxes]

No, you know what?

This is stupid.
I'm out.

[pitty6]

oh im thinkin genetically modified. theres prob some scientist bunni on some distant island who made em. wha t i wan to kno is who keeps losing thier stuff in my treeas that i keep shaking it down? lol. the dance i dont think was that bad bcuz like she just sat there and dif music played. i think there should be another female bunni who is calm and not materialistic.

[MonsterMiner]

This thread just keeps coming back. It's scary what people reply. :D :D :D :D

[boholikeu]

Yeah, sorry about my rant earlier a few posts ago. I originally just wanted to to give my 2c and a suggestion about how fix it, but then Pirate Foxes baited me into unleashing the wrath =)

[Pirate Foxes]

Yes, your wrath was *horrible.*

Believe you me.

[boholikeu]

Well I never saw you come up with a well thought out rebuttal, so until you do it's done its job. =)

Speaking of which, I don't want this conversation to turn into a simple flame war, so unless you respond directly to one of the points made in my earlier post I don't have anything else to add to this topic.

[rosedragon]

If a kid sees their parent laughing at something they learn that that action is a good way to get an adult's attention, and they are likely to repeat it in the future. This becomes problematic when the action carries meaning that the child doesn't understand, such as a sexual connotation or a vulgar meaning.

I think that is why everywhere it is always suggested that parents accompany kids on watching movies and such. You can laugh together but afterward explaining what yes and no.

I think I found it cute if little kid dance in bikini, especially at beach. Will they get the context of the whole Peach's behaviour, I doubt, since in that rate, they can't even read or understand the whole story.

[MonsterMiner]

100% true unless the kid starts having weird dreams.... :rolleyes:

[Pirate Foxes]

Well I never saw you come up with a well thought out rebuttal, so until you do it's done its job. =)
Except that I did.

[boholikeu]

I think that is why everywhere it is always suggested that parents accompany kids on watching movies and such. You can laugh together but afterward explaining what yes and no.

I think I found it cute if little kid dance in bikini, especially at beach. Will they get the context of the whole Peach's behaviour, I doubt, since in that rate, they can't even read or understand the whole story.

True, a little kid dancing can be cute, but now imagine that kid a little older and mimicking the flower motion as well. Not so cute anymore...

Anyway, I'm not saying this game will scar a kid for life, but it wouldn't be given a "G" rating if it were a movie. I don't think it's too much to ask for at least a content warning to help parents out. I mean, when you see a generally non-violent game about bunnies, you don't really expect there to be any objectionable material.

Except that I did.

What was your rebuttal? Sorry if I missed it, but the only thing I saw you post after my long spiel was this:

No, you know what?

This is stupid.
I'm out.

Not exactly what I'd call a well thought out reply.

[rosedragon]

If they get older, they should got brain or theirs parent should tell her what to do and what are not.

What do you think parents should do? Just making money? :S

[MonsterMiner]

Do people ever get tired of arguing?

[boholikeu]

What do you think parents should do? Just making money? :S

Of course not. That's the whole reason I think a content warning is appropriate. It's so that parents can take an active hand in parenting without having to play the whole game themselves.

In some cases it's just better to prevent the issue altogether. That's what a warning would do.

[Pirate Foxes]

Not exactly what I'd call a well thought out reply.
Read through the topic. I am not responding to you because it's pointless and you don't make any new points. You just keep repeating what you said.

Stop poking me.

[rosedragon]

Make sense boholikeu :) .
Not sure that young kids can play this game that far though.

[screwbaII]

Firstly, I'm a female miself and honestly, both sides make fair points on the issue stereotypical women but i dont think so in terms of kids and the dancing bikini bunni. It just goes back to that same old argument that games and television influence children to do things they don't properly understand. If your kid is old enough to go on newgrounds, your kid is old enough to understand what the game is going on about and your kid is certainly old enough to realise IT IS A GAME AND NOT REAL LIFE!!! If your kid does not understand the difference between a game and reality I question why, when children that are playing with their toys can imagine and build a make believe reality with their imaginations and still distinguish it from reality. Do you see children eating mud pies made out of mud? No. Do you see children running around with guns shooting people? No.

I'm doing psychology at uni and I recently completed a course on developmental psychology, and guess what! Children are not mere imitators of behaviour BELIEVE IT OR NOT CHILDREN LEARN WHAT IS RIGHT FROM WRONG FROM A VERY YOUNG AGE!!! Sure there are studies that suggest aggressive games or movies impact on how aggressive a child is after watching it, but there are no studies as far as I know that suggest children are more sexual after watching sex tapes (although I don't think that study would pass the ethical test lol). I mean kids watching and playing so called 'high contact sports' such as rugby are twice as likely to be more aggressive than anything a video game can throw at them.

Anyway I don't know how the issue went from portrayal of females to how kids see the game but anyway I don't think that is really an issue, some people just think children are mindless imitators or something and don't give them much credit for understanding concepts. If your kids go to school, they will know more than you give them credit for, trust me.

Anyway that was going a bit off topic. Back to the REAL issue here, the portrayal of the female characters. People seem to have a problem with the STEREOTYPES here. Let's face it, stereotypes are EVERYWHERE. It is how we organise information neatly into our neuron network known as the brain. It helps in communication as it describes things in terms of categories. Stereotypes are a necessary part of our everyday life like it or not. Stereotypes are simply a label to describe a group of people. Emphasis on GROUP. Notice how group does not entail all. The characters in this game are extremely stereotypical. Why? TO DEVELOP CHARACTER! The fact we can all look at Corianda and say, 'she's a princessy girly girl who loves shopping!' just proves my point: stereotypes communicate information about a person or group of people. The game is not saying ALL GIRLS ARE EITHER PRINCESSY OR BADASS, it simply chose two different spectrums of stereotypes of women and developed a character from them. That is all. I don't think by any means it is attempting to have any underlieing meaning, you people are just reading into the game too much.

Also I agree with whoever said the dance was annoying. It made me raise an eyebrow and think what the hell. I do also agree it's a little stupid marrying one and having a striptease from the other aswell, and why don't you get to choose who you marry? I blame the ghost, it obviously has something to do with the forced marriage arrangement.

Anyway, I also agree with adding in a few more characters, maybe some more ladies to choose from or something. And actually get to choose who you marry. Perhaps a rival =O Or a 'have children' option (after marriage of course or the christians might get offended)... oh no wait a bunni sex scene may make people cry too much, better not implement that the kiddies may get ideas and start humping their pet rabbits in an attempt to recreate the scene?

[inflim]

LOL well said screwbaII.

I have been lingering round these forums for a few days now but im going to post here now after getting a hold of the argument.

people are saying if they see the bunni dance then they are going to copy it? i dont think so. heres my reasoning

How many children have watched pokémon? Many is the answer.
And if you have seen it you know there is a few 'cat' pokemon in it. they also use them for fighting and how many children have you seen making cats fight?

For me none is the answer and i assume it is the same for most if not all of you which means they will not copy game/T.V as much as most people think.

[MonsterMiner]

Come on, the dance is barely s3xy at all. If the kid can understand it, then this shouldn't be harmful to them. And if they started coping the dance, it would only look funny. ( though the games too hard for them)

[boholikeu]

Stop poking me.

I would ask you to do the same thing =)

Firstly, I'm a female miself and honestly, both sides make fair points on the issue stereotypical women but i dont think so in terms of kids and the dancing bikini bunni. It just goes back to that same old argument that games and television influence children to do things they don't properly understand. If your kid is old enough to go on newgrounds, your kid is old enough to understand what the game is going on about and your kid is certainly old enough to realise IT IS A GAME AND NOT REAL LIFE!!! If your kid does not understand the difference between a game and reality I question why, when children that are playing with their toys can imagine and build a make believe reality with their imaginations and still distinguish it from reality. Do you see children eating mud pies made out of mud? No. Do you see children running around with guns shooting people? No.

I'm doing psychology at uni and I recently completed a course on developmental psychology, and guess what! Children are not mere imitators of behaviour BELIEVE IT OR NOT CHILDREN LEARN WHAT IS RIGHT FROM WRONG FROM A VERY YOUNG AGE!!! Sure there are studies that suggest aggressive games or movies impact on how aggressive a child is after watching it, but there are no studies as far as I know that suggest children are more sexual after watching sex tapes (although I don't think that study would pass the ethical test lol). I mean kids watching and playing so called 'high contact sports' such as rugby are twice as likely to be more aggressive than anything a video game can throw at them.


You're right that children learn right from wrong at a pretty young age. You won't see children actually eating a mud pie because learn that mud =/= food very early on. It's the same reason why the old "superman" fear of imitable behavior ("I can't let my kid watch superhero TV shows because they'll jump off the roof and try to fly") doesn't hold any salt either.

No, where imitable behavior really becomes a problem is with actions that conflict with social norms (IE what is considered vulgar/sexual/polite) because these values aren't learned until later down the line. So while a kid in elementary school is unlikely to take a hammer to someone's head because they saw it on Tom and Jerry, they might mimic a somewhat questionable dance move they saw on MTV (particularly if they have started experimenting with gender identification).

[kittenlazars go mew mew]

Can't we just forget about this and all be friends again?

[MonsterMiner]

boholikeu doesn't post outside of this thread much.

[rosedragon]

Please guys, I think we already got some points about why yes why not. We at BUNNI team will consider about the rating issue and such.

I will lock this thread. If someone would bring something NEW instead arguments, please pm me.

Thank you!